Weekly Trust - Saturday, 18 June 2011
Weekly Trust: One of the challenges in education generally is the dearth of latest books; this challenge is even more pronounced when it comes to technical education. As a rector how did you cope and now as the Executive Secretary of the NBTE, how are you bracing up to that challenge?
Dr. Masa’ud Adamu Kazaure : As rector, we contained this through e-learning through accessing the best library in the world when you have internet connectivity. I established the e-library. It is a massive structure. We did a lot, even last week; I was called to attend a send-off during which the library was named after me. At the NBTE, through collaboration with the UNESCO, the NBTE has written many books, which had been distributed not only here in Nigeria, but are being utilized in West Africa. In fact, those books had been interpreted into French for both Anglophone and Francophone countries. Over 250 books had been written by the NBTE through the collaboration and they have been adjudged to be of high quality. These books are in CDs and have been distributed to institutions all over the country and uploaded onto our website. We are working very seriously to address the dearth of these books.
How much contribution did our local lectures make to the production of these books?
Most of the books were produced by most of the lecturers in our polytechnics, especially those in Kaduna Polytechnic and Yaba College of Technology. We call them and they work in collaboration with the consultants from the UNESCO. We have guidelines of writing these e-books. If you go to the internet, you will see them.
Nigeria expected industrial boom some three decades ago where polytechnic graduates were supposed to be in the driver’s seat, but as you can see now, instead we have industrial doom. Can the NBTE be of any use under the current circumstances?
One thing that is killing the polytechnics is the Bsc-HND dichotomy. The way the society values the holders of Degree is different from that of HND. Most parents do not want their children to do HND programmes because of the kind of career in place. Luckily, former President Olusegun Obasanjo has lifted the barrier. What is left now is the review of scheme of service so that we get HND holders t o aspire to the highest level of their careers. That is the main problem we are facing. Graduates of the polytechnics are supposed to drive Nigeria’s technological advancement, because they are the ones who do the handwork. The non-availability of latest equipment is another challenge in the institutions. We are very lucky the recent presidential initiative has led to the move to buy the equipment for about 51 federal and state polytechnics. This was as a result of the review of the curriculum we have done, which we have sent to the institutions. In the process of implementation of the curriculum, we realized that the equipment we have in these institutions would not match the new curriculum. That was why the president approved the procurement of the equipment that would match the new curriculum. We travelled with some rector to Israel to inspect some of these equipment and they have started arriving.
With the dichotomy now removed, what is the NBTE doing to ensure polytechnic graduates meet up?
The whole thing is based on competence, whether you are a HND or degree holder. What matters is competence. That is what we are supposed to be looking at. The running about I have been doing around the country is to get industries into the recent NBTE initiative of national qualification framework. Competence is the crux of the matter. How you contribute to the society, and not the certificate. In Nigeria, people are certificate crazy.
What role are lecturers playing in providing instructional materials?
Many of our staff and lecturers have attended seminars and workshops not only in Nigeria, but also in other parts of the continent in an effort to do instructional materials.
So many polytechnics are running the same programmes; don’t you think this is counter-productive given that higher institutions are supposed to be relevant to their host communities?
This is one of the main things that are disturbing the NBTE. In collaboration with the Education Trust Fund (ETF), and the World Bank, we are trying to establish centres of excellence. Instead of every institution doing the same programmes across the board, why can’t we identify specialty in one particular institution. For instance, if the Kaduna Polytechnic excels in some programmes, you should identify them and make them centres of excellence and become point of reference. The ETF is doing special intervention what is called high impact intervention in the sense that considerable amount of fund is injected into a particular institution per zone. Just recently, the Kaduna Polytechnic was given 1,000,000,000 naira. It is for them to identify their deficiencies and capabilities so that they can upgrade what they have with the aim of becoming centres of excellence.
Kaduna Polytechnic is an institution that set the pace and standard in polytechnic education In Nigeria; how comfortable are you now that it has been converted into a university?
We have not lost Kaduna Polytechnic. It has not been converted yet, there is a panel, which the government has set, and it has submitted its report. Even if it is going to be converted into university, we are trying to tailor it to be awarding degrees that are peculiar to our polytechnic set up. We do not want it to lose focus of mandates of the polytechnics. We are more practically oriented than university education.
In essence, you want the NBTE to keep hold of the Kaduna Polytechnic should it become a university?
The law does not allow us when it has become a university to go and accredit it, but what we want is a kind of dual role to the delivery of education whereby the entry qualification would be national diploma - a student with diploma from other polytechnics can come and enrol for B. Ed Technical Education. That is what we are proposing. National diploma is the purview of the NBTE, so if it is converted into a university, it would go out of that purview.
As the regulatory body, why did the crisis in Kaduna Polytechnic drag on for a record time of six months before it partially re-opened last week?
Since the day the Academic Staff Union of Polytechnics declared industrial dispute, we tried to solve the problem. We met in my office severally and tried to convince them. We had to meet the minister who set up a visitation panel. Members of the panel came, did a lot of investigations, and wrote their report with over 130 recommendations. A white paper committee has been set up by the former Minister of Education; the white paper is before the Federal Executive Council. It is what we are waiting for now. The government is trying to resolve the problem and we are trying to convince the union to call off the strike. Only last week, the Governing Council decided to open the institution. Students have started registration. The lecturers should realise that the way the students are roaming the streets for six months now is not good. Really, the lecturers have a case however they should give the government a chance so that justice can be done. The recommendations made are favourable to the union.
The NBTE is to liaise with industries to source for and disburse funds, with many industries closed, what is the situation like currently?
That is disturbing to us. When I met with some industrialists in Lagos last week, the essence is to have a kind of industry-institution relationship so that whenever we are producing a curriculum for any programme, it would include industry-based needs. It is pointless to produce graduates that industries do not want. They would help and participate in the writing of the curriculum. The NBTE is right now spear-heading the National Vocational Qualification Programme. It is a framework looking at competences and skills instead of paper qualifications. For instance, the informal sector, they have the artisans on the streets; they are people who did not go to school. The roadside mechanic would repair your car and you would take it away without any fear that it would break down, that is knowledge. How do you quantify that contribution to the economy? We want to bring out a structure where such people would fit in. we want to qualify such people and put them in scheme of things so that everybody would be well graded. It is a global practice.
How are you encouraging inventions between polytechnics and industries?
We do not have the industries, because many of them had closed shop. In Kano, it is a very sorry state. However, I was impressed in Port Harcourt, because we got good contributions there. If you don’t have them in place, there is no way you can get collaboration. We are encouraging existing companies to be talking to institutions so that they can believe in what we are doing. We have entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the National Board for Technology Incubation; this is with the view of grabbing the inventions and incubating them so that we can grow entrepreneurs from institutions.
What about linkages with foreign institutions?
This is institution based. Most of the institutions gave collaboration with institutions outside the country for staff development and academic linkages and exchanges involving staff and students.
By Amina Alhassan from Kaduna